Angry...grr
I am going to have to discuss something of a serious nature, Israel and Lebanon.
It is so frustrating you have Israel pummeling three streaks out of Lebanon and the west seems to be sitting back. It is embarrassing that with George Bush saying that they are 'just defending themselves', I do think that there is a distinct difference between defense and blowing them off the planet!!! It is really embarrassing and also gut wrenchingly infuriating that Tony Blair has gone along puppy dog like and agreed. I do not think that this is helping the perception of Israel, UK or USA.
I do agree that Lebanon has attacked Israel and a country has a right to defend itself, Israel has not been tolerated in the middle east since since it's recreation after the second world war.
I do also think that the Muslim faith has a really hard time with the state of Israel's existence as it was calved out of formerly Muslim countries. That this is not just a land issue this is a spiritual issue and there will never be peace in the middle east as long as Israel is there, as it is a thorn in Islam's side in an area predominately Muslim (I am in no way during this discussion saying we should get rid of Israel). The God of the Jews and Christians (Yahweh) will NEVER be acceptable to the god of the Muslims (Allah) (Just in case you are not sure they are distinctly different).
I think that Israel is using obscene amounts of force to achieve it's ends (which is the eradication of Hezbollah) which it will never achieve because it is only re-enforcing the standpoint of their enemies.
I have done a lot of work with youth in the past and this is how I would paint the picture if we could reduce this entire conflict down to a school playground.
You have Lebanon who is that slightly annoying kid in the class (you know the one, every class has them the one who wants to be liked, tells bad jokes and everyone does not get on with). There is Israel who is the well built kid, has a few friends who tolerate him and think he's OK.
Well you have the fight going on between Lebanon and Israel started because Lebanon punched him (and to be fair he threw the first punch, but as the fight goes on you forget who started it). Lebanon throws the first punch, a good punch and then Israel retaliates with a piece of metal piping...a bit of an escalation and by the time we are finished he will be using knives and tear gas.
The duo of Bush and Blair are on the side lines watching the spectacle, they are not going to break it up as Israel bought the knives and tear gas from them and after all they are mates and mates are meant to stick together. Occasionally they shout out in barely audible voices 'stop' but Israel does not hear them as he is whacking the heck out of Lebanon, and they are cries not ment to be heard anyway only for the audiences benefit.
Then you have in the wider circle the entire middle east standing back, slightly mates with Lebanon so condemning Israel (rightfully for undue force) but also not defending Lebanon but throwing a few weapons in their direction occasionally to aid the escalation of the fight, after all we have to have something to watch in the playground. The group of the middle east stands round the fight and watches and piously gives solutions of how to solve the fight but only if it is a solution that suits them.
Then in the back maybe halfway across the playground is the teacher who has seen the fight and a few pupils have reported it's goings on is sauntering over to see what is going on. This is the United Nations and it can't quite decide if it is an easier life just to ignore it and hope it goes away or to do something about it.
In a school scenario you would bang their heads together (not physically...although it may help in this case) and then give them sever detentions, expell them etc. You'd also tell the crowd to disperse and to stop egging them on. I do appreciate that it is a very complicated situation with a lot of bloodshed on both sides but I do not think anyone is actually helping the situation and trying to defuse it not the Muslims, not the West and not the UN.
My heart goes out to all the people killed in this tragic conflict. The innocent and the guilty on both sides.
Wake up to the word and listen to Israel's comments http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cR4zRbPy2kY. Muslims are allowed to do something called tachia, which is sanctioned by the koran to allow muslims to lie to further the cause of islam.
VP
It is so frustrating you have Israel pummeling three streaks out of Lebanon and the west seems to be sitting back. It is embarrassing that with George Bush saying that they are 'just defending themselves', I do think that there is a distinct difference between defense and blowing them off the planet!!! It is really embarrassing and also gut wrenchingly infuriating that Tony Blair has gone along puppy dog like and agreed. I do not think that this is helping the perception of Israel, UK or USA.
I do agree that Lebanon has attacked Israel and a country has a right to defend itself, Israel has not been tolerated in the middle east since since it's recreation after the second world war.
I do also think that the Muslim faith has a really hard time with the state of Israel's existence as it was calved out of formerly Muslim countries. That this is not just a land issue this is a spiritual issue and there will never be peace in the middle east as long as Israel is there, as it is a thorn in Islam's side in an area predominately Muslim (I am in no way during this discussion saying we should get rid of Israel). The God of the Jews and Christians (Yahweh) will NEVER be acceptable to the god of the Muslims (Allah) (Just in case you are not sure they are distinctly different).
I think that Israel is using obscene amounts of force to achieve it's ends (which is the eradication of Hezbollah) which it will never achieve because it is only re-enforcing the standpoint of their enemies.
I have done a lot of work with youth in the past and this is how I would paint the picture if we could reduce this entire conflict down to a school playground.
You have Lebanon who is that slightly annoying kid in the class (you know the one, every class has them the one who wants to be liked, tells bad jokes and everyone does not get on with). There is Israel who is the well built kid, has a few friends who tolerate him and think he's OK.
Well you have the fight going on between Lebanon and Israel started because Lebanon punched him (and to be fair he threw the first punch, but as the fight goes on you forget who started it). Lebanon throws the first punch, a good punch and then Israel retaliates with a piece of metal piping...a bit of an escalation and by the time we are finished he will be using knives and tear gas.
The duo of Bush and Blair are on the side lines watching the spectacle, they are not going to break it up as Israel bought the knives and tear gas from them and after all they are mates and mates are meant to stick together. Occasionally they shout out in barely audible voices 'stop' but Israel does not hear them as he is whacking the heck out of Lebanon, and they are cries not ment to be heard anyway only for the audiences benefit.
Then you have in the wider circle the entire middle east standing back, slightly mates with Lebanon so condemning Israel (rightfully for undue force) but also not defending Lebanon but throwing a few weapons in their direction occasionally to aid the escalation of the fight, after all we have to have something to watch in the playground. The group of the middle east stands round the fight and watches and piously gives solutions of how to solve the fight but only if it is a solution that suits them.
Then in the back maybe halfway across the playground is the teacher who has seen the fight and a few pupils have reported it's goings on is sauntering over to see what is going on. This is the United Nations and it can't quite decide if it is an easier life just to ignore it and hope it goes away or to do something about it.
In a school scenario you would bang their heads together (not physically...although it may help in this case) and then give them sever detentions, expell them etc. You'd also tell the crowd to disperse and to stop egging them on. I do appreciate that it is a very complicated situation with a lot of bloodshed on both sides but I do not think anyone is actually helping the situation and trying to defuse it not the Muslims, not the West and not the UN.
My heart goes out to all the people killed in this tragic conflict. The innocent and the guilty on both sides.
Wake up to the word and listen to Israel's comments http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cR4zRbPy2kY. Muslims are allowed to do something called tachia, which is sanctioned by the koran to allow muslims to lie to further the cause of islam.
VP
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